Fixing The Amazing Spider Man 2 (Video Essay) ft. Armored Penguin


I… fucking… love… Spider-Man. I made a shitty fan film in ninth grade,
I saw every movie opening night. I even used to dress up like him to go to kids’ birthday parties. Spider-Man is so fundamentally a part of me. There are about three movies that completely broke me. What I mean by that is they took my little nerdy filmmaking soul, chewed it up, and then shat it out. One of those movies was The Amazing Spider-Man 2; The Amazing Spider-Man 2 is everything wrong with filmmaking. It took a good director and a bunch of great actors, and forced whatever the intention of the original film was into a glorified demo reel for the rest of Sony’s
“Spider-Man Cinematic Universe.” Look how that turned out… I signed up to serve the story and to serve this incredible character that I’ve been dressing as since I was three. It gets compromised, and it… and it breaks my heart. The script is a cluttered mess of cliches and plots from different films. Oh look, Remember that superhero movie where one of the two major villains of the film idolizes our hero, to the point of being insane? Their actions to impress said hero lead them down the dark path, and eventually kidnap the hero’s blonde girlfriend? Wait, I got another one. Remember that reboot movie sequel
written by Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci, where the main plot device of the film is some special, super-secret blood? The movie is shot by Dan Mindel and includes a shit ton of lens flares? You have the damn point. So how does one fix The Amazing Spider-Man 2?
To be honest, no matter what you do, it’s not going to be a perfect movie.
Even with all the deleted scenes put back in, a lot of the pre-Electro Jamie Foxx stuff cut, and centering the conflict of the film on Harry, The Amazing Spider-Man 2 is still a hot mess of cinema. But- I’m an insane Spidey fanboy, so I spent tons of hours trying to make an edit of the film that is more tonally consistent with first movie. And if we’re stroking my ego, just a better movie as a whole. There’s a full edit of it that I made a year or two back I’m not going to talk about all the little details and edits I made, but I will focus on a few major ones. First off, Richard Parker. Everything with Richard Parker, but the underground secret train shit – you can cut. That includes the amazing “Bourne-Man” scene… As well as cutting out the reveal where Richard Parker informs Peter that only he can be Spider-Man. A little aside, guys.. I can make an entire video about why the concept of Peter Parker being “destined” to be Spider-Man takes away completely from the everyman notion of the character. But to keep it short, and this video tolerable, Anyone can be Spider-Man.
Everyone can be Spider-Man. Every kid should be able to wear the Spider-Man costume. Every kid should identify with Peter Parker.
That’s why Spider-Man is… well… Spider-Man. Anyways, in order for the Roosevelt payoff to work, you need to just make Peter’s cathartic moment come from Richard Parker saying he had to leave to get away from The Osborns. [The human DNA that I implanted in the spiders…
was my own.] That way Peter doesn’t whine about it anymore and we still mostly keep the everyman angle intact. See, Garfield’s emotions still work, and I really think that taking out the “special blood” aspect simplifies this already jumbled mess of a film. Pretty much every bit of overacting that Jamie Foxx does you should cut; Electro barely works as a villain anyway.
By cutting some of the Jamie Foxx goof, that gives you more time to focus on Beavis- I mean Dane DeHaan, who plays Harry Osborn. He kills Gwen; he’s the actual bad guy of the piece. Electro is only in the movie to fill space between Harry scenes. Plus, you know, Not everyone can be a twenty-something,
white H&M model. Add most of the deleted scenes back in,
you can logically figure out where they belong. I’ll show you these two scenes with deleted elements added back in and unnecessary stuff taken out. That way you can get a sense of
what the entire cut that I worked on was like. First off, rather than Harry call Peter
and tell him he’s dying, Peter goes to visit Harry and all the exposition we need to know is given through good performances and a scene that strengthens the relationship
between Harry and Peter. *Groan* [Pete, it’s me.] What time is it? [Uh, late? Early?
I don’t know, I’ve been up all night.] You alright? [Not really, Pete…
I’m dying.] [But I think you can help save my life.] My luckier one. Got it.
Nice catch. You don’t- you don’t have to do that right now. You alright? Yeah. You sure? Yeah, just.. um…
I just need a moment with my friend. Sure. See, you actually see two young men acting like two young men in an extreme- ridiculously extreme situation. You okay, or… Oh, not really, Pete… I’m dying. But I think you can help save my life. All right guys, I’m kind of tired out but let’s talk a bit about Electro. Damn it. He’s just so goofy… Not even “good” goofy. But like- Yo Alex, I’m really happy for you. You’re doing a great job. I’mma let you finish, but this is one of the worst villains I’ve seen of all time. Of all time. In order to make this villain work, we need to logically see and understand his skewed viewpoints. So we need to go back to when Harry’s father is dumping all this exposition on him , and tells him he’s infected with the bug too-
and change it. Because what they have here opens a little bit of a plot hole: like if Harry’s father says the hand-trembling started around the same age as him, […And it began at your age…] Anyone would logically think they had the same amount of time as their father did, giving Harry a 20 to 30 year life expectancy, this taking away his rush to find a cure. So we could change it to where they are vaguely talking about the disease. Harry’s father sees the hand trembles and says something along the lines of “You have the hand trembles too…” “You got it way earlier than I did.”
Then he dies. So from there, we’d have a paranoid-injected Harry exhausting all of his resources to save his own life. This takes away the plot hole, and
now we see why Harry is freaking out. So even though the whole blood trope is stupid and overused, it’ll actually make sense with our new character/plot. Next we would have Harry figure out that it’s the Spider-Man blood that’ll save him, So he will ask him for it
just like he did in the original film. Spidey will say no, so Harry will offer him money. which Spidey will turn down. From there, we would have Harry suit up as the Green Goblin and attempt to work with Spider-Man. This would give us a cool team of action scene, but it would end with Spidey telling him to stop, and that he’s going to get himself killed. By doing this, we see Harry trying every positive thing he could think of to get what he wants. This shows us that Harry is good, instead of him throwing a fit and instantly turning evil. Also, it would play up the whole “needing approval” theme set up by Electro being rejected by the world- in Spider-Man, and Harry with his father in Spider-Man. Going from there, we could head into the climax of the movie, where Harry is fighting Peter, and he realizes that beating him up won’t work, and he obviously can’t bring himself to kill him. So he kidnaps Gwen, giving Spider-Man an ultimatum. Spider-Man would attempt to save Gwen, forcing Green Goblin to drop her. But from here Spidey would go after Gwen and so would Harry; Harry doesn’t want her to die. He was just bluffing. Spider-Man would see Green Goblin going after her, so he would think that he’s still trying to kill her, forcing him to fight the Green Goblin. From there, Gwen would still die. But my last fix would be not to knock out Green Goblin;
I would keep him awake to see what he’s done, showing us that he cares,
and that he knows he messed up. But now we still need to fix Electro. Shit. Hey, what is it with blue villains
saying the stupidest lines? It’s my birthday…
Now it’s time for me to light my candles! Let’s kick some ice! Okay, I’m starting to ramble…
Let me hand the mic back to Alex. Hey guys, that was Joey
from his channel “Armored Penguin.” Yes, this is a collaboration of sorts, But he does a really cool show called movie maintenance, where he takes various films and breaks them down more in detail than I do, and talks about how to fix them- not just at an editing level like we do, but a story level as well. Check out his stuff, seriously,
and let him know what you think. Link down below. There’s so much more both of us could talk about, but you can’t polish a turd. You can’t completely fix The Amazing Spider-Man 2 because the intention of the film is not to be good; it’s not. Marc Webb is fantastic at directing people and stories about people. All the leads are incredible actors that shot beautifully and has the best on-screen spider-man costume to date. But none of that matters when the mentality behind the film is so… “studio.” Sony wanted to make this movie to set up other movies, not to make a good film. It’s the same reason Spider-Man 3 was disappointing: they wanted to sell Venom toys. But in this case, they wanted to sell something even bigger. They wanted to sell a Spider-Man,
more specifically a Spider-Man universe The intention behind both The Amazing Spider-Man films was to allow Sony to keep the rights. That is their sole purpose. You can cover that up with a great cast and crew;
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100 thoughts on “Fixing The Amazing Spider Man 2 (Video Essay) ft. Armored Penguin

  1. GUYS! I have two questions for you, comment down below!
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  2. I actually liked electro. But they basically made the same mistake like in Sam Raimi’s Spiderman 3 when the company told Raimi to do more than one villain in the same movie. They should have done separate films. But a lot of people can agree that Max Dillon made you feel bad for him, which in my opinion makes a good character. They make you feel a certain way about them.

  3. It's sad cause Andrew could've been an amazing spider Man in an amazing movie instead of an amazing actor in failed movie

  4. mt favorite spider-man movie is spider-man 2.
    it has the best chraracters, best scenes and it makes most senes

  5. How i would fix the film:

    Has Peter, Gwen and Flash graduates high school near at the end of the film.
    Keep an few delete scenes in here.
    Not has Harry be the Green Goblin and not gives him cancer.
    Remove Rhino.
    Make Electro not a Spider-Man fanboy and develop him a little bit more.
    Introducing Mary Jane Watson, J. Jonah Jameson, Robbie Robertson, Betty Brant and Captain Jean DeWolff.
    Not kill off Gwen.

  6. While I mostly agree, I think Electro is a better character than given credit. He's still not great by any measure, but I think when you pay attention to the way they deal with his character's mental illness, I think elements of his character are actually handled fairly well. Of course Harry should have been given greater care like you say. I would have loved for example the next movie to have been Spidey in the black suit, going full on revenge on Harry for what he did. Maybe have some fun with Black Cat along the way to help him get over Gwen.

  7. I don't care what people say. I get this movie is severely flawed, but on both of my watches of it, I liked it. I found it enjoyable and I would watch it again. I get it technically isn't a good movie but I don't care.

  8. I really don't like the suit in this movie… Yeah its accurate, but the tiny folds everytime he moves, for as small as they are, make the suit look super cheap.

  9. You cant fix this film as every scene is like taking a massive shit. Spiderman 3 as bad as it is there is some good and if you could remove scenes it would improve it as a movie. The only scene i liked from this movie was with the kid the first time not the last part with the rhino

  10. The amazing spider-man had a lot of potential but screwed it up. The first movie did ok, but not that well due to repeating spider-man 1. The amazing 2 screwed up big time. It repeated spider-man 3 and they should have learned not to do that. In my opinion, Sony could have kept the amazing 1 the way it is and forget about Harry and act he didn't even exist. They could have made electro less psychopathic, and make him evil because maybe spider-man killed someone important to him while doing the rhino arrest scene. Spidey could just lose to electro and electro could severely injure Gwen, close to death. Peter loses motivation, and watches the speech video and decides that he is not powerful enough, but he is smarter and builds a device that stops his powers like in Deadpool 2. He stops electro and arrests him. In a post-credit scene, the spider Peter was bitten by could bite Gwen(maybe change the fact that the powers will only work on peter), and have a Spider-Gwen movie. Make her work for Otto instead of Peter working for him because Connors is in jail and she wants to forget him and needs a similar job to what she had with Connors. Make her arrest him after fighting, and make a post-credit scene with the symbiote landing on earth. After that, the venom movie can take place. against carnage, and the post credit scene is gonna be carnage in jail, but the twist is he still has the symbiote. the amazing 3 is gonna be about Peter and Eddie fighting but eventually coming to terms to fight an even greater threat. The post credit scene for the amazing 3 is gonna be Dr.Octopus making a jailbreak and forming a team. After that, there could be guardians of the galaxy style evil sinister six movie. There was just so much potential.

  11. The Chosen One isn't a bad story. Nor is a so called prophecy. But making a character like Spider-Man the chosen shouldn't be done

  12. hi i know that hi top films lost this edit when his hard drive crashed but if someone has it post it on vimeo and send me a link

  13. I'll always be an apologist for the first amazing spiderman but TASM 2… Man it's just so bad. So much potential.

  14. Spider-Man 2 is my favorite Spider-Man movie, great villain! And you really connect with Peter. Spider-Man more then any other hero you root for the man under the mask. You root for Peter more then Spider-Man

  15. I honestly don't think this movie is nearly as bad as everyone says and I'd even put it over Spiderman 3, but there are some truly terrible elements to this movie and I like a lot of the ideas you presented to fix those elements.

  16. Add the deleted scenes,
    take out the opening with his parents
    Remove rhino from the end
    Take out the air traffic control stuff at the end.
    And cut/trim little things here and there.

    I already made a fan edit of the movie in 2014. There is a link on a video on my channel.

  17. I was Positively watching the video until 2:36 cus this idea about everybody being spiderman is soooo stupid. If in this movie, the spider would have bitten someone else, the person will just die. How everybody can be spiderman, I can't and that is okay. There is no shame that peter got the powers and someone else didn't and I am sure if someone else would, there is only 0.01% chance that he would become spiderman. So pleas stop all the DS with everybody being spiderman.

  18. I disagree in some way the amazing Spider-Man films are some of my favorite Spider-Man anything the actor's Andrew and stone are amazing together the thing I don't like the most in the film is Harry's and Peters relationship, Peters Perants and notenuff heart hitting moments,

    That's it, those are all the problems I have with this movie

  19. I do really like the concept of Harry getting much worse and goblin like over time, so he starts off as Beavis and then as the movies would go on, he would get more and more ultimate universe Goblin esqe.

  20. Am I the only one who likes Electro? Even tho he isso innacurate, I still like his arc.

    Great video tho and the Idea behind harry being more like a hero is great and would have fixed tasm 2 more than it is rn.

  21. fuck that costume, raimi did it the best despite the spider man 3 cockup (which wasn't even that bad). but most of all, fuck sony – it's now solely a money making venture with no character or love for the older audience.

  22. I really enjoyed TASM2 and I don't quite understand why people hate it so much. I think it is a shame that it didn't spawn a Spider-Man cinematic universe.

  23. Spider-men ranked
    3. Tom (sorry he's just not the best)
    2. Andrew ( he was an okay spider-man, but not peter Parker)
    1. Toby (fight me, this is the best spider-man/peter Parker.)

  24. What about the scene where Peter's father comes back? That's a flawlessly acted scene and gives Peter a WAY better motivation to come back as Spider-Man

  25. U so mean boi! Why u verbal abuse Andrew Garfield and not Tom Holland or Tobey Maguirewierdo? Uh! Uh! WHY!!!!!!!!!! I dislike this! Who's with me!?!!!?!?!????!?!

  26. This is one of my favorite movies and my favorite Spider-Man movie. I don’t know why people hate tasm2. (Don’t @ me with 3 paragraphs)

  27. How About Cut The Whole Movie And Start It Off With Peter Dealing Everyday Problems Like Bills, Money, Him Dealing With His Girlfriend Gwen And Not Making It To Dates Because Of Being Spider-Man And Taking Down Badguys. This Would Then Cause Problems In Their Relationship And They Would Drift Apart, While Introducing A Potential Villain That Is Somehow More Personally Connected With Peter

  28. The scene of the goblin disease could go like;

    Norman say something like, “You have the trembles.” He would look at Harry apologetically and inform his son, “Oh Harry, you don’t have the time I did.” or maybe just a simple, “You don’t have long.”

  29. Este video es tan preciso, honestamente sé que todos los demás piensan que esta película es simplemente mala – pero lo odio seriamente con una pasión ardiente si soy completamente honesto

  30. Years later in an interview, Andrew Garfield says that when making the amazing spider-man films, he said
    "Story and Character weren't top priority"
    Confirming what we've ALWAYS known about these movies, that they existed for nothing else but to make money, I said it once and I'll say it again, FUCK the amazing spider-man series.

  31. It should have been focused on only 1 Big Bad we havent seen in it's full glory yet like venom it would have been a perfect fit for this. This universe is an amazing fit for venom. It would have made more sense than another green goblin movie and giving venom another chance

  32. a smart writer would have just had electro be the main villain and have green goblin set up at the end and have him be the villain amazing spider man 3. the movie seems over when electro is beaten but here comes harry goblin to ruin our time and hijack the last 20 minutes murdering the only thing i liked about these movies gwen stacy.

  33. Even coming back to this video a year later with a fresh mind, I still believe Jamie Fox's Electro still had much more potential than Goblin.

    Although all things considered, the greatest flaw of this movie was the same as Spiderman 3. It tried to handle too much at once.

    Either focus entirely on Electro and his lack of sympathy, approval, family, etc (all the things that Peter/Spiderman has) or you focus entirely Goblin like how this video explains.

  34. I always want to be Spiderman and I'm 13 year old and I still want to be Spiderman. I am going to keep trying to be Spiderman I'm going to learn how to be like a spider and Idgel and do jimnastics and And jisu and boxing And make a web shooter. Like thin of spider black widow webs they are strong what if I can invite some kind of stick web that can hold a human and put it in a web shooter.👍

  35. We all know who's fault why TASM 2 is hated…..

    AVI ARAD

    Alright here's my Pros and Cons about the Movie.

    Pros:
    – The Actors
    – The Spidey Suit
    – The use of Practical Effects
    – The physics, the action, The swinging
    – The theme of Time
    – The OST
    – The chemistry between Gwen and Peter
    – The Director
    – The Acting
    – Deleted Scenes
    – The CGI

    Cons:
    – The Deleted Scenes being cut from the Movie
    – AVI ARAD
    – The many Villains
    – The story being rushed
    – The plot

  36. Not that different from Disney, huh. Not…insulting the MCU here, but I think we can all agree that the direction they took Spider-Man in sucked. I honestly blame the comics speculation boom of the 90s. Had it not been the people just buying the comics and not enjoying them, this movie history would've been different

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