Tank Chats #47 King Tiger | The Tank Museum


this enormous tank next to me is the
King Tiger tank the Tiger II Konigstiger sometimes called for the Allies
sometimes a royal tiger and as you can see it is an enormous beast for many
people they consider this the ultimate development of German tanks in World War
two now the tiger we’ve already discussed the tiger program with our
tiger one tank chat with the tiger II what we’re looking at here is a vehicle
that obviously comes after the tiger one but it’s done with a desire from Hitler
and a desire of Hitler’s is a really an order that has to be carried out his
desire in early 1943 is to see the massive l71 Rhine Mattel gun
it’s an 88 millimeter gun put onto a tank and what happens about that is that
he goes as ever to the Panzer Commission there’s discussions about this they go
out and they look at the two companies that have built the tiger one and asked
them if they can find a way of putting this new 88 millimeter gun onto a tiger
chassis of some sort so it’s all part of this what’s called overall the tiger
program in the German military so Porsche and Hinkle are the two people
who competed for the tiger one they compete again in essence for the tiger –
initially Porsches design he’s coming up with the same petrol electric drive that
he’s been thinking about for his early submission for the tiger one that then
goes into the elephant vehicle he thinks that’s a way to go he looks at that he
puts out a prototype he actually does two variations of prototypes VK 4502
brackets p that means basically the porsche variant now those vehicles are
demonstrated in October of 1943 the prototypes the design work is shown to
Hitler then at the same time in the background Henkel are looking at their
designs fir of all they suggest why don’t we just
add some extra armor on the front of the tiger one will that help do that’s not
good enough that won’t actually meet the bill so Porsha’s design its exhibited he
has two variants of it one with the turret at the front of the vehicle one
with the turret at the rear of the vehicle one of the versions has the
engine in the middle one of the versions has the engine in the rear so different
ways of putting the combination of his petrol electric drive together the
Henschel version after they’ve suggested this initial extra bit of armour they
then come up with the idea of stretching the tiger one hull they used an angled
front they actually put the armor plate at about fifty degree angle and they
actually angle the rear in a similar manner to what’s going on with the
Panther design at that particular time they make interleaved road wheels these
now actually are a slightly different to what was done on the tiger they overlap
but they’re not interleaved in between so that it was easier to actually get
access to some of the inner road wheels they need to do that because again the
weight of this vehicle is increasing all the time you need that level of
suspension to spread the way over the wide tracks they look at the track issue
again they’re going to do what they’ve done with Tiger one we have 80
centimeter wide tracks for cross country work we have 66 wide centimeter tracks
for transportation so again the side skirts will come off smaller tracks put
on if we’re going to transport that vehicle by rail which is a usual way of
moving big vehicles like this behind the lines and they’re taken as close as they
can to rail heads behind the battlefields before off-loaded the
transportation tracks taken off and the wider tracks put back on now henckles
design winds that they’re both are exhibited in October of 43 Henkel gets
the contract for the hulls the porsche design it’s considered still when he’s
trying to push his petrol electric design at this stage of the wards
as earlier on the German military are very very nervous about the use of too
much copper which his electric engines in essence are going to be needing on
the motors there so the copper is not going to be available and they’re
worried about that so they go for the Henschel design it goes into production
in December of 1943 and order is put in for 1500 Tiger twos a couple of built
just before Christmas of 1943 three prototypes of the first vehicles to come
out of the Hinkle works and we’re very lucky here at the Tank Museum because
we’ve actually got the second prototype vehicle that’s v2 so we’ve got v1 v2 and
v3 are the vehicles that are actually put as test vehicles v2 was used as a
test vehicle at house and back throughout the entire rest of the war it
was captured by the British it was still being used for trials by the Germans and
we’re lucky enough to have that vehicle here now in December of 1943 crap have
been asked could they redesign the turret that they’ve originally come up
with with this new gun on now crap first of all they don’t like the idea of
fitting a rival gun to their turret so the RAI metal 88 millimeter l/71 gun
Krupp decides to redesign it so they have a go at it themselves it looks very
similar its performances is exactly the same as a Rui Mattel gun and that’s the
gun they fit actually to their turrets again it’s very important now to
emphasise crop designs that German tank turrets poor Hensel are designing for
this competition the hulls very different things to think about because
the turret that is put on that Porsche design initially is often called by
people the pork turret Porsche had nothing to do with
the design of that tire and that’s something that we’ve in our Tiger
display here we’ve been trying to get across to people so we perhaps because
it’s erroneous really to call it a Porsche turret he has nothing whatsoever
to do with it crup has a design
process and as the contracts for designing the turrets for the tiger to
program the German military arsim to redesign the turret because they don’t
like the shape of it and also its production costs and the time it takes
to make it it’s very complex now when we look at that early version of the turret
it’s got a curved front to it that was considered a potential shot trap rounds
coming in could actually be glossed underneath that curved frontage and the
other issue as well is the side of the turret has a bulge in it where the
commander’s cupola is and that again cause much more trouble in its
production process so crap redesigns the turret to make it simpler to manufacture
and to eliminate that shot trap and that we often all here at the tank museum
we’re calling that the production turret they’ve already built over 50 of the
earlier model turrets so they decide to use those first they were thinking it
might have gone on the porsche design they changed one or two small elements
of it and they thickened the roof armour and then they’re actually issued to the
first 50 Tiger twos that Henschel actually makes so they’re those that
early type of turret you can see in some of the shots where the tiger is used for
the very first time in July of 1944 in the battles in Normandy the production
turret narrower front the gun is slightly offset to allow the optic scope
to be fitted it starts with a binocular optic scope but then it goes on to a
monocular optic scope the gun we’ve mentioned very powerful gun basically
the difference between the l71 88 millimeter and the tiger 1 gun the L 56
gun is the cartridge case is doubled in size there’s double the amount of
propellant and that means a very similar sized round comes out the end of that
barrel with an enormous amount of force behind it and it’s actual velocity goes
about to speed wise you’re looking at about a thousand meters a second and
that gun can take out most known allied tanks at a range up to three kilometers
so that’s a very very impressive advantage this tanks going to have being
– if you’ve got that sort of distance to fire from that’s going to give you a
huge advantage before any of the Allied tanks can start getting in range so very
powerful gun the armor that Henschel puts on it
you’ve got 15 centimeters of armor at the front they’re angled at 50 degrees
that is very very thick for World War two terms thinner armor on the sides and
on the rear turret front mantlet again very thick and they built this enormous
cast man clip round the gun to help protect it
that narrower frontage also means you’ve got much more less of a target area to
hit from frontal strikes and there’s a general consensus that pretty much no
Tiger – was penetrated on its front armor during the course of the war
statistically we think probably a discarding sabot round with a tungsten
core from a 17 pounder could penetrate the front armor but that engagement that
never took place so that thick armor that again was one
of the things Hitler is influencing the design he’s insisting thicker armor on
his tanks Hitler’s the general view is every year he wants to see another
generation of German tanks coming out that he’s going to leapfrog a head and
not allow the Russian or the Western Allies tanks to either catch up or
overtake his own tanks in service so very thick armor very powerful gun they
still use the Maybach HL 230 engine the engine that’s gone in the later tiger
ones and into the panther those engines there when you’re looking at it with a
tiger – basically it’s powering a vehicle that is 20 tons heavier so again
that sense of the available power to get what becomes about a 68 ton vehicle
around the battlefield again you you there’s that general sensors consensus
that really this is not a powerful enough engine transmission very again
similar to Tiger one the Tigers as I say they go into action of July 44 for the
first time they’re issued two heavy tank battalion Shred pounds wrapped islands
normally about 45 tanks per battalion the first engagement takes place in
Normandy with a 503 heavy tank battalion this particular
vehicle is serving with an SS battalion heavy tank battalion in Normandy it’s
being used by the 501st they are in retreat we think this particular vehicle
the crew member drives it into a field near Beauvais were not too sure whether
or not that’s when the final drive was damaged by the crew member who may be
inexperienced in it we know there’s an account that it’s claimed by a sergeant
Roberts of the 23rd has ours there in the field they fire at the vehicle we
can have a look at the battle damage in a moment that vehicle when it was firing
at this vehicle we think it’s already abandoned by the Germans and again we’re
doing a little bit of research because we can’t quite work out why the 23rd has
ours or in that part of Normandy at the time according to their battle their war
Diaries so these things again peeling away the layers about why certain
vehicles get certain stories associated with them sometimes we just make you
have to make sure that they’re not confused with something else so more
research to be done there the vehicle is photographed in the field where it’s
captured so we have those photographs in the collection and ultimately it’s
recovered and brought back to the UK as part of a number of German tanks that
have bring ball back for analysis and this particular tiger with its 104 on it
ends up at the teaching account in the Academy it’s shriven ‘im where it was
there for many many years sadly various components engine etc was stripped from
it over the years it’s good outside condition that’s got a reproduction
zimmerit coat on not a bad-looking paint job but again it’s not quite as it was
when it wouldn’t in service and about a decade or so ago it came down here it’s
now part of the tank museum’s collection down here at Bovington so an amazing
beast one thing we just like to round up on we’re here at bobbington this is a
teaching base a teaching collection for the serving military you can probably
hear in the background there’s military vehicles driving around here all the
time now the issue for us is we use this vehicle as an example to teach to the
modern military because this is an example of where technology has gone in
a certain direction the skill set needed not just to make this vehicle but to
also crew it a very high now that issue modern militaries are going to face
again if you look at it the stats show that this vehicle would take about three
hundred thousand man-hours to make three hundred thousand that is an awful lot of
man-hours it cost obey about eight hundred thousand Reich marks to build
and again that’s about the price of two tiger ones a hugely expensive vehicle
now to give a bit of a comparison eight hundred thousand right marks is about
three hundred and thirty thousand US dollars in World War two a Sherman tank
cost about thirty to thirty three thousand dollars to make
so again economics behind this you could have made nine Sherman tanks for the
price of one King tiger and that again as I come back to the modern military
these are lessons are they’re having to pick up on you

100 thoughts on “Tank Chats #47 King Tiger | The Tank Museum

  1. Shermans could drive past this tank faster than the turret could traverse, getting two or three of the 9 $32K tanks around behind it before that deadly gun in the $300K tank could even get a shot off. Also, by December 1943, when this monster went into production, German industrial capacity was being bombed on a regular basis, the Romanian oil fields had been torched, the Allies had retaken Tunis in North Africa, and the Russians had broken the siege of Stalingrad and were beginning to push the Germans back across the plains.

  2. That is some tank! The King Tiger was a more defensive type of tank, where it could hold a position indefinately especially well prepared ambush positions. The job of choosing the right types of military hardware fell to the appropriate departments and committees in industry and military high command. Hitler merely put his signature on the approval document.
    Throughout the war, the Germans upgraded to weapons systems suited to every time and theater of war.

  3. Best and most beautiful tank ever designed/produced. Id love to see this tank fitted with an Abrams powertrain with a one-off 8.8 or 10.5cm L100. What a dream that would be.

    Porsche designed a hybrid(drive) before it became a "thing".

  4. U should tell if the 330 K$ for the King Tiger are modern dollars.
    Because if they are, it's less than 1/1000 the price of the 350 millions dollars F-22 fighter jet…
    Let's try to be relevant as a teacher in the economical part. Then people can understand who makes the money and who doesn't in the peace party, who's turkey and who's funky.

  5. T-34 Enters and random city in Germany: “why do I hear boss music playing?” erika noises T-34 sees king tiger: “dimitri… we gon see gulag blyat”

  6. Looking at the ''damage'' done to the Tiger at 11:46, the soldiers that took the shot were lucky that the tank was abandon.

  7. maybe more medium tanks would have been more effective. But the Germans had no crews for them left. The lack of men was even harder than the lack of marterial

  8. Hitler was such a fool. Couldn't they just mass produce Panthers? Or improve the weapon instead of the armor

  9. Well i remember changing the wikipedia article because it says "Porscheturret" and "Henschelturret" and then they reset it… Yeah dear Wikipedia hobby historians i dont think so…

  10. The Tiger 2 was such beautiful tank, compared to the ugly US tanks like the sherman or tinkered english or japanise tanks.

  11. In Saving Private Ryan was the tank that caused all the chaos and was eventually immobilized by a "sticky bomb" a King Tiger?

  12. What I’ve heard is if you had IS 2 tanks shoot HE rounds at the front plate of the Tiger 2 you would either collapse the plate or create so much spalling that everyone inside wouldn’t be having a good time. Or they could have just used an AP shell and it would go straight through, but they almost always had HE loaded and the D25T gun on the IS 2 wasn’t something you could load very quickly.

  13. In the old board game Panzer Blitz we loved this tank. They were represented by a counter that had a very powerful gun and thick armor. We were always excited to use Tiger 2's in a game. But somehow they were usually a bit disappointing. Their slow speed meant it was difficult to get them involved in a maneuvering fight. They were often late to the party or simply left behind. And you never had very many of the things. (Actually in most scenarios you didn't have any of them.) Those two aspects, slow and few, meant that this powerful tank rarely dominated. Although the game wasn't very realistic you did get a sense of how "slow and few" were fundamental limitations for the Tiger 2.

  14. I swear, who do they have doing the subtitles. Someone needs to sit down with them and go over what words they always misspell.

  15. Strategically worthless, a POS designed by Nazi's fighting a fantasy war but now the stuff of which Nazi-fan boys are made. There was a reason no one else built tanks like this….not German superiority, but Allied common sense.

  16. A tiger 2 doesnt want to be feed, it wants to hunt, let it out of it's cage. Let it run free across Europe, like it was born to do.

  17. 2:12 It looks like the driver is pedaling the tank. This kind of looks like a technical drawing of an early submarine with the snorkle is sticking out the wrong end. The guys at Porsche still don`t know where to put the engine in a vehicle.

  18. No priority on life and high priority on mass production.
    We r only puppets in this satanic planet

  19. The cost comparison at the end interesting, but I imagine one King Tiger could take out 9 Sherman's – so maybe the value is about the same? But then again 2 Tiger 1's for the same price would probably have been more useful….Maybe instead of building 1,300 Tiger 2's they should have built 2,600 Tiger 1's…

  20. Definitely not a fan of the Nazis — those guys and their sympathizers can all die in a hole for all I care — but, I have to admit, they know how to make a tank.

  21. The Germans needed good guns because their tanks broke down before they could drive as far as they could shoot.

  22. Ok,so the King Tiger was literally worth 9 Sherman lighters. I assume the same proportion applied out in combat?

  23. If you still have corresponding stuff rusting away in your barn, please donate it to this museum so as to complete this deadly beauty!

  24. I love it Porsche and Mitsubishi in other manufacturers during World War II we're still making machines that are being sold in the United States every every time I see a Mitsubishi car I think this is the same company that built the plains of bomb Pearl Harbor isn't it funny

  25. Ten Shermans for the price of one Tiger 2. So could 10 Shermans guarantee to kill a Tiger 2? Would ten Fireflys guarantee to kill a Tiger 2?

  26. War knows no nation.
    I am glad germany lost back in the day. Imagine the world today. Full of hate and fear.
    It is bad enough today already. Everyone just cares about himself and more importantly his money.
    Humanity can't evolve further if we do not learn to put aside our differences. We can only get further in life and in space if we work together.

  27. It's like Napoleon always said:

    "Weeaboos talk about the Tiger II being the best tank. Professionals study ease of production and reliability."

  28. Even if it had an engine, that tank isn't going anywhere! Nice tank to look at. But an engine in it, would probably leak all over the place!

  29. And yet, Panther could take on any allied tank from reasonable ranges with long chamber/long barrel 76 mm….

  30. Whilst the Germans were going bigger and bigger ( like the Russians ) it's interesting to consider that the British were developing the centurion which in hind sight went on to be maybe the best tank design ever !!…..yeah the Germans also brought out the panther but from the sides and back was just as vulnerable as other tanks .

  31. Everybody is the greatest quarterback in history come Monday morning and WW-II historians are no different. If and its always the eternal "what if" but IF WW-II Germany back in 1940-41 had the foresight they would've scrapped all other tank models in favor mass producing their two most cost effective tank killers they ever came up with. The Panzer MK IV and the Jagdpanzer MK IV, both with the high velocity L42 75mm cannon. Both shared many of the same parts and were far more reliable and easy to maintain than either the Tigers or the Panther tanks. And both still were more than a match with a much better gun than most, not all but most allied tanks.Certainly better all around than any tanks they would have faced outside of Russia.

  32. I do wish who ever did the sub titles would learn to spell I failed English 6 times and I can spell better than this person

  33. Terrific presentation of a lovely tank.
    Too bad no one bothered to proofread the subtitles. They are horrid.

  34. per gli appassionati italiani un video sui mezzi corazzati tedeschi nell'Operazione Barbarossa: https://youtu.be/5YGNR60e9zE

  35. I like how he says that no allied tank ever penetrated the front armor but that’s completely false because during the Battle for Dessau the American Super Pershing tank the only one used shot 2 rounds straight through their frontal armor and a third through the bottom of the tank when it got exposed going over ruble and that’s because it had a bigger gun than even the king tiger at 90mm sorry I’m a really big history buff lol

  36. The King Tiger was a desperate attempt to stop The Bob Semple Tank's but it Failed ofcourse lack of firepower did the job

  37. The entire service life of the king tiger was less than a year.

    There are barely 10 months between its introduction and the end of the war and no country fielded it afterwards.

  38. Meanwhile in the Shop " Not bad paint job, Ill show him a not bad paint job, I spent 2 bloody weeks just sourcing the green, and there he goes…………." Great work lads.

  39. hmmm…. not a story about the kingtiger tank. More a story about his developement process… im more interested in the story about the tank in clashes/comparison/etc. not 90 percent developement story…

  40. You could make nine Shermans for one King Tiger but bear in mind the Germans were short on fuel they had to work with what they had.

  41. Beautiful tank ..if it wasn't for its problems this would have been a very very formidable enemy of ww2

  42. Curious if Germany would've concentrated on air superiority rather than heavy armor things would've ended differently. I thought I read somewhere that one Tiger cost as much (in material and man hours) as 3 or 4 ME-109s.

  43. You could have made 9 M4s for the price of one konigstiger, but you wouldn’t have had the oil operate to them in a mobile manner as they were designed to, so you’d make a konigstiger and use it defensively instead to conserve fuel. Late war german military is not worth looking at as an example for modern military economics considering the shortages they were experiencing.

  44. 虎王耗油甚多,尤其是普洛什特油田被紅軍占領後,火力強裝甲厚,但要延滞牠並不困難,地雷,防战壕,战防砲都可誏虎王变猫王,,突出部戰役虎王被擊毀的不多,但缺油,损壞者遍布战場,雖是龐然大物.但没發揮預期的效果

  45. One Tiger ll costs as much as nine M4 Shermans. But a Tiger ll could take out nine M4 Shermans, and cause so many casualties.

  46. @0:22 not just WWII. Considering the historical context, probably the "best tank" relative to contemporaries for all time. As in ridiculously over-matching to the point of reduced returns as mentioned in the closing comments of this excellent video.

  47. Interesting….KT was expensive and we today use to destroy tent in middle west that cost 10$ by rocket that cost 1000000$ 🙂

  48. Ah yes, the famous "Bigus Dickus" program; I heard it all started when Hitler realized how small his bits were back in elementary school.

  49. If I understood everything correctly: According to the info of the video, the speed of the tiger 2 projectile is the main difference (advantage) to the same 88mm caliber gun in the tiger 1. Being a longer barrel, it fired a twice as long a cartridge, resulting in a 3600km/h mozzle speed. If i'm wrong, someone please explain.

  50. Just imagine Gordon Ramsey narrating this, the man cant stand still for one second or Bear Grylls or both of them together.

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